French Souffles and a Disappointment
58The First Amendment
Good morning breakfastpoppers. Today is Monday, June 20, 2011. I begin this day realizing that if I don't discuss something that has been on my mind for a few days I will be very disappointed in myself. More precisely, I will go mad keeping an incident that happened to me here on HubPages quiet. Before I get into the thick of it, lets prepare some breakfast. Aggravation on a an empty stomach just doesn't work for me. Today we will be preparing a French Toast Souffle. You will need 1 stick of butter, 8 ounces of cream cheese, 1/2 cup maple syrup, bread cubes (12 slices), 12 large eggs, 3 cups half & half, 1 and 1/2 teaspoons vanilla and cinnamon. This recipe serves 12 people so invite some friends over. Butter (2) 7x 11 inch baking pans. Fill dishes 1/2 full of bread cubes. In a small bowl, mix butter, cream cheese and syrup together. Try softening the mixture in the microwave first. Spoon mixture over bread. In another bowl, beat eggs, half & half, and vanilla. Pour over bread. Dust with cinnamon, cover and store overnight in refrigerator. Okay, Okay.. I'm sorry. You won't be eating this today but you''ll love it tomorrow. In the morning heat your oven to 350 degrees and bake souffle for 60 minutes. When the center is raised and the top lightly browned, it's done. Serve immediately by slicing into pieces and topping with fruit and nuts.
For today, mix yourself a Bloody Mary and garnish with celery, olives, cucumber and some shrimp. Put your feet up and relax. I need to get something off my chest.
HubPages notified me that they have removed advertising from a hub I wrote last Monday called Baba and a Warning. For those of you who haven't read it, it concerned the existence of Mosques in this country that preach hatred and jihad. The information was based upon a study that concentrated on one hundred Mosques in the nation and it discussed the existence of texts that promote violence. The comments that followed were lively, informed and interesting. One hubber, new to my site, took exception to what I wrote. She is in fact trying to put together an article that will prove that Mosques are friendly places that praise America. She is hoping to sell her story to a major outlet. In any case, we went back and forth and the conversation remained very civil, something I insist upon. I always encourage other opinions and have never demanded that anyone agree with me. I invite opposing views.
Sometime after this I discovered that Hub Pages had taken all advertising off my hub because they considered my piece to be unsuitable for advertisers. In other words, writing a piece that is documented and important is considered unfit for advertisers. Is this why we no longer get the real and complete news in our newspapers or on television. It seems as if our chances of really knowing what is happening in our world is being hampered by the sensitivities and viewpoints of some viewers or readers, writers, management and advertisers. No wonder journalism is dead. We don't stand a chance, do we?
I can only guess that the new visitor to my hub lodged a complaint. HubPages responded by disabling the advertising and I ended up losing sleep. She clearly had an agenda and HubPages decided to take the "safe" way out. I said nothing in my piece that hasn't already been in print. Congress is investigating the radicalization of Muslims in Mosques. This is an important issue in very trying and dangerous times. Silencing those that wish to talk about it is emulating the very people who silence people by harming them. The last time I checked, I was still a proud citizen of the United States of America. The last time I checked the Bill of Rights still existed. The last time I checked the First Amendment still said that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of press; or the right of the people to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievance. I realize that HubPages is not the government but of all places, freedom of speech should certainly exist here.
HubPages has every right to run their business as they see fit. Fellow hubbers have every right to comment and join in on lively commentary, but when a difference of opinion turns into a muzzle then something is very wrong. I said it before and I am repeating myself now, I am very disappointed...POP...
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Pop,
It is a shame. What happened to you is looking like par for the course. Why is it that devotees of a peaceful religion make newpeople so fearful. Could it be the fatwa placed on Salmon Rushdie long ago? The murder of European newspaper people over cartoons??? Peaceful my foot!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not surprised at Hubpages. They may be just PC or fearful for their employees!!!
Who has such power over hubpages as to muzzle opinion, MSNBC? CBS News? Oprah? I recall your hub and it was right on. The first amendment is still alive. If people disagree, they should say they disagree or shut the f*&^ up! Pretty simple, I'd say. I finished my bloody Mary. I am heading to the bar. BARTENDER..........
BPOP - The same thing happened to me about an article I wrote about Harry Reid. I used the picture, which is all over the Web, of him shooting the bird. How stupid can people get. It may not be Hub Pages, it may be Google since the two are intertwined and joined at the hip.
If someone doesn't agree with a Hub they should move on and read something else. All this hitting the "Vote Down" button or flagging something that you disagree with the content of is childish and immature. Makes me want to give them some cheese to go with their whine.
This place is about writers, or is supposed to be about writing. Writers usually choose their subject and words carefully to remain within the TOS of Hub Pages. Then along come the little crybaby whiners who want to make a report. In the case of the "Vote Down" button, they don't need any justification for their actions. How stupid to let such nonsense continue and ruin the credibility of any forum.
The Frog
POP: From what I understand, Hubpages is a "user generated content site" (quote from Wikipedia). The author has complete control over their hub.
With that said, why would hubpages delete advertising? to punish you, of course.
Most of our laws have become laws because of a few people, and we, the masses must abide by them. Here at your hub, many of us have enjoyed your political views, and although we don't always agree, we enjoyed participating. If you are correct that one person made a complaint, then shame on Hubpages for listening to one person.
I am very sorry that the people at Hubpages are spineless. I only hope that they read these comments and realize that they are punishing the wrong person.
POP, continue to write. I look forward to starting my day with you.
Now, I'm with taxlarry - I need to "digest" this issue at the bar. Someone, please, save me a seat.....
Pop, that is bizarre to think that no advertiser would want the exposure of that article, I know I would.
I recently read a distasteful article, didn't hit down, I hit up because he took the time to write it. Then I told him what I thought, he then made a comment that it "was not the proper place to air my opinion" I ask then where?, I dropped and blocked his mails instead of crying to those that be. All I can say is stupid is what it is, dust I'm ready for that drink let us go to the bar!
So much for free speech. This is pathetic. I guess that is what you get with a business based in a city that want's to outlaw Mcdonalds, circumcision and goldfish.
Morning POP...I seem to be missing something here...From my reading I'm getting that A: Your informative Hub is still active and available on HubPages...B: Folks are still reading and commenting on your Hub...C: But there is no adverts displayed with this Hub...I should think that would be a plus when your Hub is published without distracting advertising...Unless your intent is commercial success and reward...it is still your intellectual property to keep, my privilege to read, and others to share...I certainly do not read Hubs in anticipation of securing some unsolicited commercial service, product, or political message.
You know I will always have your back, Pop...But on this one I don't see the threat...Maybe I need a new pair of glasses...Larry
BPOP - Reading some of the responses is indeed interesting. It seem many people see an incident in a far different light than the person who causes the incident. That's human nature. I remember the exchange you refer to here. It was polite on your end and demanding from their end. No one on this forum should come on anyone's article demanding that they remove this graphic, that they change the wording to suit their model or anything even akin to that.
This is definitely not the place to do that.
The Frog
Pop,
Sad to say this is no surprise as hp is headquartered in San Fran Sicko and the libs there are from another PLANET!! Of course, I will be checking out your "offensive" hub forthwith, thanks!
Good Morning breakfastpop...one of the reasons I have enjoyed writing at hub is the fact we are allowed to write about how WE think...and as stated we all know the 1st amendment is alive and well. Personally, I feel whoever did this to one of your hubs should be looked at more heavily as to the content of their articles. Of course, they also have the right to publish as they please, but condoning actions performed in this US which is based on the laws of God, not the Muslim gods or practices is against OUR (the citizens of the US) belief system....we do not kill people who do not believe as we do....you are right, we have come to a point it seems, where the Inn is the best place to air our views. They are trying to turn our country into a dictatorship...
I am sorry this has happened to you and I do agree with Frog and Hmrjmr...and if this person does not like your writing I DO agree they should read somewhere else....
Have a blessed day breakfastpop.....
POP, I don't know how Hubpages can justify removing the advertising for that hub. There is not reason you shouldn't be able to write about something that is all over the internet anyway. It is the same thing that is happening across America - the minority now rule the majority!
I have had numerous problems with some of my hubs also. I have a hub written for young ladies to recognize abusive personalities in boyfriends and I can keep it up but without advertising. I got an email yesterday where they are going to remove a hub because they said it was about "getting out of debt". Since when is that a taboo topic? I wrote it more than a year ago. I have revised numerous hubs from replacing pictures to rewriting some, then deleting several all together. I am currently writing on other websites and less on Hubpages due to this treatment.
Better head to the inn now as you may need more than one Bloody Mary.
Pamela - It would seem that a moderator, I have been one, would keep more than busy monitoring new material rather than have to dig back in the archives looking for something to do. I reckon they could be more than a year behind but that doesn't seem likely.
The job of a moderator is to remain neutral, apply the TOU to both the writing and the conduct of the individual users. When that principle of professional conduct is violated, and violated continually, it shouldn't cause an adverse reaction in the people tasked with that job. It should make them take a very hard look at themselves and the role they should be playing.
Frog Prince: As you were previously a moderator, is it possible to find out who did this to breakfastpop? Personally I feel it grossly unfair....
Going after Islam is dangerous, so many widely read internet sources like HubPages are trying to discourage it. That may be the reason.
Remember when South Park pulled its spoof of Islam because of terrorist death threats? A 2007 Pew poll revealed that 26% of young American Muslims supported suicide bombings in the US in retaliation for an insult to Islam, a number the media and even Pew dismissed as insignificant!
But Americans are not like other countries, and we will not be silenced. We angrily reject the notion of sharia in the US and we will not bow to Islam!
Pop, they do this all the time. Just like hub hopping. Who is to say the one reading it is qualified? Perhaps they are against what your article stands for. Such hubbish.
I had a similiar experience...one of my hubs was demonetized because I made some less than politically correct remarks regarding Nancy Pelosi and her plastic surgery. I just let it ride...I don't need the money! LOL! The effort to shut down conservative talk radio is another example of the push that seems to be on to restrict the rights of free speech. If our press (media) had any backbone, they would be holding this issue up in demonstration of the decay of our democracy but instead they are too busy trying to sell us the advantages of socialism. Hang in there, Poppy! WB
Pop, edit your hub and add advertising links to a whole host of gun stores on line as well as companies who train "high risk civilian contractors" referred to as "Mercenaries" If you need links let me know I can provide you with many I do business with. Touche, then they will probably pull your hub, but it will be fun to see, 50
Pop - The only error you made was in telling the truth about this subject. Many are accustomed to getting their information from the talking heads on the nightly news. You know, "the borders are more secure now than they have ever been", "the economy is improving", "the mosques are friendly places." This type news reporting gives them that feel good sensation they so deeply crave. When you write a hub and hit them with the truth, they are shocked beyond belief. You took away their "feel good" for the whole day.
I see more and more really good writers leaving hub pages and starting their own blogs because of this type censorship. How could anyone ever write anything if we must fear offending someone who might choose to read it, and disagree? It is really sad that hub pages would take the side of one person who complained about a hub, unless of course they perhaps feel the same way about the subject.
You need to just keep telling the truth and saying it like you do. I imagine you can survive without the few pennies the ads on this hub might have earned you.
Wealthmadehealthy - The answer to your question is "no" on my part since I don't work for Hub Pages or have access to their data base. But due to the nature of this Hub and its contents, it might be nice if the Head Moderator came on since they have a screen name like we all do and clarified what is going on and why.
Many questions have been raised by concerned users here. I have raised some here and in the past also. A straight up professional approach seems to be in order. Will we get it?
I also know that this Hub is being monitored by Hub staff. Of that I can assure you.
The Frog
Can you tame a rattlesnake? The answer is obvious, no you can't. Their very behavior is programmed into their brains, and they will bite you given the opportunity. Why do we refuse to recognize that teaching Sharia Law to young children is the same thing. Most of us believe what we are taught as youth, it becomes a part of us, and in many cases is why we are who we are.
Pop
For too long now it has become readily apparent that it is more than OK; often solicited; to print articles extolling the virtues of Islam or praising the submerging of crucifixes in urine while banning Nativity scenes or Menorahs all in the name of Diversity. Well I for one have reached my limit and as that old line from the movie goes; “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!
And sorry but it’ll take more than a single Bloody Mary to sooth the savage beast raging inside of me when it comes to this issue.
First and foremost remember way back when; the Ground Zero Mosque was first proposed; remember the name they had chosen for it; The Cordoba House which is representative of the Muslim conquerors' victory over Christian Spaniards, after which they converted a Cordoba church into the third largest mosque in the world as a symbol of their victorious conquest!
All I can say regarding HubPages’ decision to remov advertising from your hub Baba and a Warning; shame on you Hub Pages Shame on you for giving into the politically correct crowd!
I concur with your belief that some Mosques in this country preach hatred and jihad just as Obama’s Reverend Wright preached Hatred of America for 20 plus years while he sat in the pews waiting for America’s Chickeeeeeeeennnns to come home to roost. Then when they did according to the good Reverend Wright old Wright was conveniently tossed under the bus!
Journalism is indeed dead and has been for some time now. We don't stand a chance if we play their game; I for one refuse to watch the ABC, NBC, and CBS so called evening news. I reject their biased premise for the beginning and wish all Republicans who agree to appear on their so called news talk shows which are no more than their modern day versions of the Spanish Inquisitions held in English, should do the same! Don’t answer their questions as posed; rephrase them then answer them. Case in point I flipped through the channels on my radio while sitting outside of church waiting to go in and pray for all the Republicans this Sunday morning and heard the Pompous David Gregory ask Lindsey Gramnisty how he expected America to embrace the Draconian Cuts posed in Paul Ryan’s budget. What-What Draconian Cuts; tell that Pompous Ass they aren’t Draconian cuts but the necessary cuts to save this country from the past 3 years of the Barrackie Boo Circus; Draconian Cuts indeed; tell that Pompous Ass to rephrase his loaded question but don’t answer it as posed! Time to grow a backbone Republicans!
I’m with you 100% here Pop; shame on HubPages attempting to muzzle the truth!
There seems to be a trend that I am noticing on Hubpages with Google Adsense as well. Whatever you do, keep on writing because, it is important to atleast get it out there.
As far as the Mosque isssue, well, I have noticed it as well. You are brave to atleast talk about the issues.
BreakfastPop
I don't do advertising so it is not a problem that I would run into here, but I do resent the Big Brother attitude of Hub Page Censors.
How many hubbers would turn off their advertising for a day or two in protest of hub pages censorship. How many hubbers even think that this is a problem?
A bigger question is who are these advertisers that hp is protecting?
BTW, I think that Google and the rest of the SE advertising prone competitors are making advertising junkies out of people for a pittance. This is not a reflection on those that choose to do advertising such as hubbers, but on the puppet masters.
I see that I may have shouted fire, oops
These are not the droids that you are looking for......
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If I'm correct, none of us really knows who owns and monitors hub pages do we?
How upsetting Breakfastpops. The last time I checked "Freedom of Speech" was still allowed in our Great Country. We are writers and should always in good sense be allowed to express our view and as others have stated known "Facts". We should also be allowed to agree to disagree without being penalized. But Sponsors are always afraid someone will stop buying their product...sometimes it's a no win situation.
BreakfastPop
It would interesting to gather a list of all the subjects and issues in hubs that have had advertising removed, and especially those that the hub would not be published by hp.
LOL - If Pelosi is running this show I have read and written my last word on Hub Pages. But that would sure explain a lot of mysterious things.
POP: What would happen if you wrote to Hubpages and requested that your hubs be advertising-free?
I don't know, Pop...I just can't get excited about this one...Your Hub is still up, comments are still pouring in, and its still out there for anyone to access...The only censorship I see is the removal of adverts which you could care less about anyway...There may be a level of political commentary that has reached a certain high tide mark that triggered this action...I don't think the concerns of one Hubber is going to have an impact on their decisions...
I do agree that there is reason for concern if in fact HubPage staff are making ideological decisions based on politically correct concepts...That's a shame, and if I do find this to be true then my time here in HubPages is at an end...Larry
Not to get off topic here y'all but...could someone give me directions to the"Inn",cause I'm in a listening state of mind.
Dean
When they took advertising off of one of my hubs they didn't even inform me. I discovered it when I was scrolling through my list. It was one about the TV show red eye and a joke about the ground zero mosque and a bar next door. I edited it to see what would happen. Nothing. It sits there without ads. Gosh, I've probably lost two cents!
shelia - Yeah but at least you got your two cents worth in.
I'm just sayin...
Oldpoolman has a valid point as to people writing elsewhere, but the whole full monty here is in my opinion based on the sharia law, which makes us infidels if we speak against the ones who speak against our God. They are wrong, they kill, steal and destroy, and this makes them kin to the devil. We are by the Ten Commandments not to either kill or steal. They do not live by them...and if we as US citizens are to follow a law which is not constitutional and against our everything....let us all go dig holes and bury ourselves...not really...it will get much worse all before it gets better. We are all behind you pop....
They pull adds in order to make you think twice about your writing. Hoping the financial incentive is worth it tou you. It is a more subtle censorship because, no one looks like the bad guys. It is just a financial decision but, it is deeper down the rabbit hole you go. With everything it is a subtle change here and there, then hubs do dissappear, or hubbers are banned like Cagsil was recently.
I think there was a war in recent memory where things like this started happening at the instigation of a certain leader. Heck, I know other countries employ like tactics. It is a first stage bullying technique to subvert those who do not tow the line.
Oh Pop it is to be expected. Liberals want to shut up/shut down dissenting opinions. While I'm not too surprised the Hub team did what they did - I am surprised they didn't take the side for free speech.
On a Hub I wrote about Mr. Obama and some salacious allegations about him having sex with men - I was told by Hubpages the Hub had to be removed. I never ONE time said anything at all derogatory about homosexuality or in fact in that Hub, Mr. Obama - what I did was -report what has been swirling regarding the murders of three gay members of Obama's former church and his connection with the matter. There wasn't a single thing that violated the rules. But was curtly told to take it down when I protested. So I just did.
If it gets worse on Hubpages, we conservatives should band together and make ourselves a website run and owned by conservatives - REAL Americans who love America and also love freedom of speech. I'm sorry this happened to you Pop - really sorry. But the Hubpages team really should be ashamed of themselves - you did nothing wrong.
Thanks for sharing. I join you & the others in agreement with you. I've had two Hubs demonetized. Apparently writing fact based opinion pieces on the topic of abortion disturbs the Hub powers that be. It is disappointing, BUT, as you say, it's their site & they can run it as they please. Or, as Dylan once put it, "The masters make the rules for the wise men and the fools. . ."
Be assured you are not alone in your disappointment. Keep plugging away with integrity & be encouraged.
Now wouldn't it be interesting if every writer changed over to writing about different brands of cookware, or comparing the nutritional value of the various breakfast cereals available on the market? Not that these type hubs do not provide useful information to readers, and they do spark some ad-sense value for the writers, but not really what we look forward to reading every morning. If this is the type content hub pages is looking for, they need to make this clear to those who spend a great deal of time writing political hubs.
How does hub pages make their money to pay the expenses involved with running this website? I suspect they get at least their fair share of any ad's that get clicked on by a reader. The top rated breakfast cereal hub would generate more ads than a hub exposing the latest stupid move by our present administration. Perhaps this is truly what they are looking for but have to take the rest to appear fair and honest?
Little Sister With Giant Brain. You now full fledged warrior with proud battle scars like Man With No Pants. Join your brother. I extend to you my war feathers. We make fierce war party. Hub have too many fluffy pages. Need us. Don't tell Scotty. It just upset him.
jim
This is very dissappointing Pops, I agree with most all the commentors. We should be able to write about things that are important that we want to share with others and the one you wrote about was a very important one. If someone doesn't like it then so be it, I have read many articles that I didn't agree with but I didn't complain about it. How childish and immature on the part of that person & hubpages. You are a great writer and I, as others look forward to your wisdom, your whit and your information....keep on keeping on! Your recipes are to die for too!! Blessings
How is it, then, in America, land of free speech, that someone like Howard Stern manages to survive and advertisers, who support journalism, garner him a hell of a living? And, what makes anyones opinion more valid than anyone elses?
BP Greetings sister I relate to your disappointment. Some have left hubs for reasons as this. Just my opinion. You keep on sister. U will. You have many followers that know you and stand with you. God will send over the readers that are meant to be. Hubs is like the corporate world. Need I say more.
Try not to loose any sleep over the corporates in the world. I think what you had to say is truth and VIP in your hub so it makes me upset but those that believe truth will stand. Anyway I love ya. I have had hubs request I remove some of my pictures they were fuzzy?? WHAT the heck!?? I just put another picture on the page.
They blocked advertising on a hub I wrote, saying it was a one sided view of BIBLE huh? DID this person know the Bible?? I think not. The Bible is truth.
I just know whoever will get to your pages and who makes money on these google ads anyway. JK. I send a warm loving hug. Your 'sista'
Pop - like with anything, follow the money and some things become very clear. I also noticed your hub score on this hub is now 46. It seems your pennies per ad is not the only thing that suffered.
Wow. I just found your hubs, and this one disturbed me greatly. Please, keep writing. Silence is consent, after all. Never consent.






























Hmrjmr1 Level 3 Commenter 11 months ago
POP - I join you in being disappointed in Hub Pages reaction. Free and lively debate is what separates us from the rest of the world, looks like hubs is looking to appease China and Europe in 'acceptable' restrictions to free speech. These restrictions all start somewhere, in what may seem to be innocuous ways, (cutting the advertising) but the next step will be a little more severe and then of course eventually to the thought police or political correctness nazi's of the day.
Guess we'll have to retreat to the Inn and hoist a beer or two to what liberties we have left. They are on me today!